Posts by Marvin Shilmer

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Jan 15th WT - Quiet desperation from the Governing Body

by truthseeker in

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friends

the january 15th wt, "can you control your future" is the prelude to the feb 1st watchtower that contains the 2004 annual service report statistics.. .

in the second study article (pages 15-20), the gb acknowledge the fact that people aren't paying attention to their waffle.. .

there are some surprising statements in the last paragraph, but first, let's highlight some points in this article.... .

Marvin Shilmer

Big Tex writes:

Now that is really interesting.

Well there is more.

The peak figure reported by the WTS is not the peak month of reporting but rather the total of peak reports of any given month coming from any given branch.

For example, during the recent genocidal times in Rwanda when WTS publishers were migrating from the territory of one branch to the territory of another branch the peak reporting months varied between the various branches.

To illustrate:

If Rwanda had 10,000 individual publishers reporting during the month of January and that happened to be the highest month of reported publishers then the figure of 10,000 would stand as that branch's peak report. Then, during the month of February had 5,000 of these WTS publishers fled to County X and reported as publishers then the Branch in County X would have an increase of 5,000 publishers for that month. Lets say County X ordinarily had 10,000 publishers, but for this one month it reported 15,000 publishers and that month was its peak for the year. At the end of the year the two Branches would report a combined peak publishers of 25,000 publishers when in fact there were only 20,000 individual publishers.

Dave Sinclair confirmed this little bit of WTS statistical trivia to me a few years ago over a nice warm cup of Irish coffee.

Marvin Shilmer

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Jan 15th WT - Quiet desperation from the Governing Body

by truthseeker in

jw
friends

the january 15th wt, "can you control your future" is the prelude to the feb 1st watchtower that contains the 2004 annual service report statistics.. .

in the second study article (pages 15-20), the gb acknowledge the fact that people aren't paying attention to their waffle.. .

there are some surprising statements in the last paragraph, but first, let's highlight some points in this article.... .

Marvin Shilmer

Jeff writes:

Would the higher number in August be due to publishers who have been irregular or inactive wanting to get a report filed before the end of a service year (they always start in Sept)? This would boost the numbers for the service year if they hit a peak that month - could the Co's and DO's be pushing that month as a 'month to get inactives going' to the elders, so that the yearly numbers look better? Any elders out there with this insight?

Here is an example of how the tallying works:

Jonestown Congregation has 100 individual publishers.

During the month of June 90 publishers report time. The other 10 have time to report but fail to report it.

During the month of July 90 publishers report time. The other 10 have time to report but fail to report it.

During the month of August the congregation secretary gets his butt in gear and asks the no-shows to report their time for the months of June and July, and to also report their time for August. So here is what happens:

During the month of August all 100 publishers report time, plus the other 10 report their time for June and July. WTS directions have the secretary count this as 120 publishers reporting time! The legitimate reason for this manner of tallying is that it is the only way to maintain a meaningful average of WTS publishers. However, the WTS uses this peak figure illegitimately when it gives the impression that the figure of 120 represents the number of individuals reporting! The figure of 120 only represents--and here is the key--the number of individual reports, but not the number of individuals reporting.

The peak figures reported by the WTS are all but meaningless for statistical purposes, or for trying to figure out the total number of publishers! It is common for a congregation's August report to the WTS to have a number of publishers that is 10% higher than the number of real-life publishers in that congregation! The WTS knows this perfectly well.

Marvin Shilmer

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NEW! 2004 Worldwide Service Report

by Joker10 in

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2004 worldwide service report

jehovah's witnesses are up this year.

1,019,000 live in the lower united states.

Marvin Shilmer

Joker10 writes:

Of note. JW's DO NOT have a death rate of 1%, but higher. And that's because publishersy are mostly 15 and over. One-percent would have been a closer rate if they were to count as publishers all those little ones from birth. If all children were to be counted then there would be much more than 8.2 million 'publishers' in the world. Because of the increasing number of publishers in developing countries, a higher death rate among Witnesses is to be expected in the future. in In Zambia, for example, most people dont get to live to be 40 years of age.

What the hell is that statement supposed to mean?

If the death rate among JWs is higher than 1% it only means the number of unexplained losses is higher than previously thought! So what?

And, since a 1% death rate is a world average, how does an increased number of WTS publishers anywhere on the planet affect this? No one has suggested that the average death rate will remain at 1%.

Where do people get this stuff from?!

Marvin Shilmer

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Blood Transfusions - more sound bible reasoning rejected by the WTBTS

by Balsam in

hi everyone, below is some research on the understanding of blood that is interesting once again showing that the wtbts is not interested in what the bible really says, but is interested only in what they the gb determine for the rank and file.

balsam.

this blood will always be asked back.. of course, if no life is taken, there can be no debt for a life.

Marvin Shilmer

Hello, Balsam

The document you offer looks extremely interesting. But it is almost incomprehensible in its current format.

Marvin Shilmer

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Can JWs EAT Blood?

by Marvin Shilmer in

can jws eat blood?

scenario: .

a jw is bleeding.

Marvin Shilmer

A good howdy do to you, waiting!

You see with clear vision.

The irony of all this is in the WTS' own policy and teaching! The WTS preaches to the world that JWs abstain from donor blood knowing perfectly well that JWs use from donor blood all the time. If that is insufficiently backwards, for good measure, the WTS promotes a policy that--according to its teaching--has JWs eating their own blood and with a second breathe says JWs would never think of eating blood! Imagination is inadequate to concoct a more bizarre and dishonest teaching!

To know unsuspecting children die prematurely over this bloody WTS teaching is enough to make a sane person spit in disgust.

Marvin Shilmer

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Can JWs EAT Blood?

by Marvin Shilmer in

can jws eat blood?

scenario: .

a jw is bleeding.

Marvin Shilmer

drwtsn32 writes:

Eating blood doesn't put it back into your circulatory system. It is not the same thing as a cell-saver device or a transfusion. But no, eating blood is not allowed. Every reasonable effort is to be made to avoid eating blood.

I agree that transfusion and eating are not the same thing. However, the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, Inc. disagrees.

The WTS teaches JWs that transfusion and eating are essentially the same thing. Since the WTS requires JWs to respect JWs who accept infusion of their own blood via a cell saver machine then the WTS has no option but to require JWs to respect JWs who eat their own blood via a cell saved machine. Do you disagree?

Marvin Shilmer

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Can JWs EAT Blood?

by Marvin Shilmer in

can jws eat blood?

scenario: .

a jw is bleeding.

Marvin Shilmer

toreador writes:

LOL, yes, you do have a good point. I never did like the taste of dirty blood. How does a JW rationalize that one out though?

They can?t!

The more anyone thinks about the WTS' doctrinal position on blood the more stupidity a person finds!

I guess this is the way JWs can have their blood and eat it too!

Marvin Shilmer

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Can JWs EAT Blood?

by Marvin Shilmer in

can jws eat blood?

scenario: .

a jw is bleeding.

Marvin Shilmer

Toreador writes:

Yes, but with a cell saver machine it is first cleaned by filtering before it is injected back into the veins. Drinking blood is not quite the same thang.

That?s easy to solve. Just place the infusion tube in the mouth instead of the vein! Most people prefer their food cleaned, anyway.

Marvin Shilmer

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Can JWs EAT Blood?

by Marvin Shilmer in

can jws eat blood?

scenario: .

a jw is bleeding.

Marvin Shilmer

Hello, Elsewhere

I guess now we know that you could capture your own blood with your mouth with something like a straw and you'd be A OKAY with the WTS! I suppose for good measure you could write "cell saver" on the straw!

Marvin Shilmer

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Can JWs EAT Blood?

by Marvin Shilmer in

can jws eat blood?

scenario: .

a jw is bleeding.

Marvin Shilmer

Can JWs EAT Blood?

Scenario:
A JW is bleeding. His blood is captured and put back into his body.

Was this JWs blood captured with his mouth or with a cell saver machine?

Marvin Shilmer